riosleftsock
12:10 Wed Oct 18
Re: NHS to ban surgeries on smokers and obese
|
Children born of parents who are first cousins should also not be treated by the NHS, lifestyle choice known to lead to complicated, expensive medical treatment.
People should not be allowed into the UK if they are attempting to migrate from countries where there are known high levels of Aids, TB etc wthout having medical screening.
|
mashed in maryland
12:10 Wed Oct 18
Re: NHS to ban surgeries on smokers and obese
|
First time in my entire life I've agreed with Vexed. Probably be the last. Hopefully.
Fucking baffling that it's considered controversial these days to associate being healthy with err... being healthy, and expect people to look after themselves.
|
the coming of gary
12:00 Wed Oct 18
Re: NHS to ban surgeries on smokers and obese
|
smokers and obese die young and dont suck out 30 years of state pension, or expensive care in their nineties
|
Northern Sold
11:56 Wed Oct 18
Re: NHS to ban surgeries on smokers and obese
|
So that's basically the whole country out apart from Russell Brand and gavros then... the fucking skinny jeans wearing cunts
|
madeeasy
11:55 Wed Oct 18
Re: NHS to ban surgeries on smokers and obese
|
Westside plus those companies are allowed to have their profit sent overseas thus lowering the tax they pay here.
I wonder when the backlash will actually happen.
We have seen rumblings against the regime and their ways but one day it will break and change.
|
Westside
11:37 Wed Oct 18
Re: NHS to ban surgeries on smokers and obese
|
But the charge should be a lot more for those who choose to make themselves unwell by smoking or over eating.
But they already do, with the colossal amount of duty and VAT on tobacco and booze. There's also VAT on confectionery, sugary drinks, take away food etc.
To say nothing of the corporation tax and payroll taxes, that companies who make those products pay.
|
madeeasy
11:36 Wed Oct 18
Re: NHS to ban surgeries on smokers and obese
|
The NHS has seemed to be having a bit of PR at the moment.
My old man has just been in hospital for 4 weeks and came out at the weekend and the care and treatment he has received has been excellent. My son was in for 3 months a couple of years back and again quite excellent the care he got.
I see the smokers outside every day and my mum was moaning about the fact they are patients yet don't care about themselves so why should they get treatment the same as everyone else.
My point i said was that everyone dies of something and surely if a smoker dies early then its cheaper on drugs in their older age and they would have paid tax on their cigarettes, which is quite a lot, and surely they have paid their way more than a non smoker?
I am a non smoker.
Anyway i don't have a view about obese or smokers getting treatment or not but i fail to see how they can say they are not going to operate. who decides if someone is obese. the BMI arguments i agree about as it is a shit way to measure a persons obeseness.
I just think we are very lucky to have the NHS
|
Infidel
11:34 Wed Oct 18
Re: NHS to ban surgeries on smokers and obese
|
Your mum
Excuse me?
Do you have another way of spelling 'libertarian'?
|
Hermit Road
11:31 Wed Oct 18
Re: NHS to ban surgeries on smokers and obese
|
We would be a much healthier nation if the NHS was abolished. The best way to encourage people to lo9k after their health is by establishing a link between their health and their pocket. If I had to pay insurance, and my insurance costs were lowered by healthy living and a yearly check up, then I’d be more likely to live healthily and have a yearly check up. I probably wouldn’t put off that finger up the arse test that we men always steer clear of.
That’s my view anyway.
Also, for people who genuinely couldn’t afford it, the state would have much more resources to give them a higher quality of care than they currently enjoy.
|
Your mum
11:29 Wed Oct 18
Re: NHS to ban surgeries on smokers and obese
|
"As a libertarian"
You misspelled cunt.
|
Infidel
11:22 Wed Oct 18
Re: NHS to ban surgeries on smokers and obese
|
This is the wrong solution to what is actually a very good question, namely how to penalise people who make disastrous lifestyle choices.
As a libertarian I have no problem with people choosing to abuse themselves. It's a free country and you should be at liberty to do whatever you want with your own body. If you want to live on Big Mac and fries or smoke 40 Woodbines a day, knock yourself out.
But there is a problem when those choices start to impact the rest of society. Clogging up the NHS with all the health problems associated with unhealthy lifestyles is a drain on the rest of us.
The right solution is to impose charges on fat people and smokers. Not necessarily the whole cost of the treatment but enough to make a serious disincentive and force them to make sacrifices.
They have the money after all, because cigarettes are expensive and so is overeating so there is an easy source of cash to cover the charges.
As I have said before on here, everyone should pay something when they use the NHS, even if it's £10 per visit, because it cuts down frivolous use of the health service. But the charge should be a lot more for those who choose to make themselves unwell by smoking or over eating.
|
zebthecat
11:15 Wed Oct 18
Re: NHS to ban surgeries on smokers and obese
|
BMI is a stupid measure.
Read an article a while ago that every member of the England rugby squad is either obese or morbidly obese using BMI as a measure (although a couple of the props are pretty chunky)
|
Lee Trundle
11:03 Wed Oct 18
Re: NHS to ban surgeries on smokers and obese
|
What's to stop a smoker from saying he's a non-smoker to get the operation?
|
Muggy Bonehead III
10:56 Wed Oct 18
Re: NHS to ban surgeries on smokers and obese
|
Where does the tax raised on cigarettes go, if not on health care for smokers?
The amount of extra tax the average smoker pays would be enough to cover quite good private health care.
|
Dwight Van Mann
10:34 Wed Oct 18
Re: NHS to ban surgeries on smokers and obese
|
Ban ops and treatments for respiratory diseases for cunts who live in mouldy, damp caravans in Kent - you'd be well fucked Vexed.
|
Vexed
10:31 Wed Oct 18
Re: NHS to ban surgeries on smokers and obese
|
Good. They should do it everywhere. They should also withhold treatment for people that vape. Just because it's fucking pathetic.
|
side effect
10:28 Wed Oct 18
Re: NHS to ban surgeries on smokers and obese
|
A bit like slimming world telling clients theyou have lost 6 pounds but or what. It won't be fat. It will be lean muscle tissue which is the best fat burner and water.
Bmi is not an accurate way and outdated.
|
side effect
10:23 Wed Oct 18
Re: NHS to ban surgeries on smokers and obese
|
(nt)
|
Takashi Miike
10:21 Wed Oct 18
Re: NHS to ban surgeries on smokers and obese
|
what's obese? the BMI is a fucking joke
|
| 
